F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

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F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby techie » Fri 21 Jan, 2011 17:59

Search dialog called through Alt-F8 doesn't disable functional key bar, and F7 shortcut for Find is still present there, but doesn't work. It would be useful to filter/search history with this shortcut.
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby Maximus5 » Fri 21 Jan, 2011 20:24

Why? There is common CtrlAltF

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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby techie » Fri 21 Jan, 2011 22:21

Where is it common? It is not even present in history help.

The closest analog I can remember is Firefox + Chrome + Explorer + Eclipse, but they use CtrlF.

Far uses AltF7 in panels, F7 in editor, viewer and quick view. Maybe F7 as a search shortcut is not common for browsers and editors, but it is much more consistent across Far than CtrlAltF.
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby Игорь Юдинцев » Fri 21 Jan, 2011 23:04

F7 etc. is for search, CtrlAltF is for incremental filtration.

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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby techie » Fri 21 Jan, 2011 23:35

What you call "incremental filtration" is search in a flat list. What you call "search" is the incremental filtration of directory tree.

The action that you perform in both cases *as a user* is "search". The verb to call this action is "find" (written on F7 button at the bottom) and not "launch incremental filtration".
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby Yegor » Sat 22 Jan, 2011 01:40

Neither menus nor dialogs ever change or hide the key bar. The key bar just shows its previous state. This is by design. If you wish to use F7 in History just create a macro.
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby techie » Sat 22 Jan, 2011 10:12

So, you don't think that it is a good idea to have consistent default shortcuts?
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby techie » Tue 19 Apr, 2011 11:12

CtrlAltF is inconvenient, because it clashes with global system shortcut you'd intuitively choose for executing Far itself. I've just run into it.
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby DrKnS » Tue 19 Apr, 2011 11:21

techie wrote:because it clashes with global system shortcut

So what? Bind CtrlAltF to F7 via macro, it's pretty simple.

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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby techie » Tue 19 Apr, 2011 13:07

DrKnS wrote:
techie wrote:because it clashes with global system shortcut

So what? Bind CtrlAltF to F7 via macro, it's pretty simple.

It is not simple if CtrlAltF is used for global shortcut. Anyway, even if a macros can be created, it doesn't diminish the value of having consistent shortcuts accross interface for similar functions.
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby Yegor » Tue 19 Apr, 2011 13:50

Folks, I do not think that this issue requires so much discussion.
Personally I use CtrlAltF to open Far Manager and I created a macro that maps CtrlAltF to Alt (and not to F7) in menus. Why should it be F7? I do not think that F7 is more consistent than any other combination just because "searching" (usually *F7) and "filtering" (I even do not know, may be Ctrl+I like in panels?) are different activities for me.
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Re: F7 (Find) in command history (Alt-F8)

Postby techie » Wed 20 Apr, 2011 10:05

Yegor, the biggest problem with filters that they are not documented for history dialogs. That is the only place where I use them (thanks for the menus hint, though). In history dialogs there is a F-key bar at the bottom. If filters can not be added to help topics for all possible Far menus, it is possible to add F7 shortcut to key bar of history windows.
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